God Allowed This to Happen to Me…Or Did He? (Absolute Sovereignty)

By Patrick Hawthorne

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It’s that time again…Time to step on another sacred cow.  I take no pleasure in stomping these critters but I cannot allow them to get fat and sassy in my presence if I can help it.

The sacred cow for today’s stomping is the idea that God either causes OR allows bad stuff to happen to you to bring about His own glory.  You might know this critter by its given name, God’s Absolute Sovereignty.  The main thought behind Absolute Sovereignty is that God can and will do what He pleases to whomever He pleases.  Unfortunately, much bitterness towards God has been the result of this type teaching.  If you don’t believe me, read the Book of Ruth.

Naomi (meaning pleasant) lost her husband and two sons before she ever got a grand baby.  This loss, which she assumed was the sovereign will of God, caused so much bitterness in her heart that she demanded people call her Mara (meaning bitterness).  Naomi blamed God for all the bad that had happened in her life.  She even went so far as to say that God judged her.  Does this sound familiar?  This is what a lot of the teaching on God’s absolute sovereignty produces…anger and bitterness towards God.  Let’s look at this a bit closer

1)  Does God put sickness or evil on people?

To understand this is a simple matter of employing Biblical common sense.  Jesus went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil and GOD WAS WITH HIM! (Acts 10:38).  For the Father to put sickness on people to teach them a lesson or to glorify Himself would mean that He is working directly with satan and working against His assignment for Jesus.  For the Father to now turn and say, “I will cause sickness or evil to come on this person,” goes against the very mission He assigned Jesus.  He would, in fact, be nullifying the blood sacrifice of Jesus.  Look at Luke 4:18-19

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the  captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed; to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”

Remember when the Pharisees accused Jesus of being the devil because He cast out demons?  Jesus said that a kingdom divided against itself would fall.  God cannot cause sickness or evil to come on someone because He would be dividing His Kingdom.

2)  God may not have been the cause of the evil but He ALLOWED it to happen!

 This is the part were a large majority of the Body of Christ is hung up.  “I know God did not cause my loved one to die, or to be hurt, but He certainly did nothing to stop it.”

I know this is tough to understand.  I certainly wish I could wave a magic wand and command all the bad to go away, but bad things happen and bad things happen to good people.  But, did God allow it?  The answer is yes and no.  The answer is yes in the sense that He gave man free will to choose.  To remove free will is to make pets, not sons and daughters.

To further understand this, we must go back to the beginning with Adam and Eve.  They had paradise and everything good, including the will to choose.  Prior to the fall, dominion was given to Adam.  With the fall, resulting from a bad choice, dominion was turned over to satan.  We see this transfer of dominion in the testing of Jesus. (Matthew 4:8-9).

“Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

 It wouldn’t be a temptation if it wasn’t satan’s to give. But make no mistake; the dominion that was turned over to the devil was won back by the sacrifice and blood of Jesus.  However, the effects of the fall still plague us until such time as the Lord returns.

The fact of the matter is we live in a cursed world.  Bad things happen because of the fall.  Sometimes this may be because of bad personal choices or because the earth is travailing or for some unforeseen reason in which we don’t know the answer.  However, this I do know; God is not the author of your misery. Remember, it is satan who comes to steal, kill and destroy…NOT GOD! (John 10:10).

Read the end of Ruth and you will see that God was able to take a bad situation and turn the bad to the good.  Be blessed.

 

 

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  1. “I take no pleasure in stomping these critters but I cannot allow them to get fat and sassy in my presence if I can help it.”

    Really? Because I take great pleasure in stomping on sacred cows and listening to them pop like bubble wrap. Very good stress reliever.

    I’m just teasing you, this was an awesome post. 🙂

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  2. Patrick, In general, I agree with you. However, how do you account for God permitting Satan to take Job’s property and children? And then later struck Job with loathsome sores from head to toe? Don

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    • Hi Don… Being as you love the study of Jewish customs, I am going to approach this from a different angle that I believe you will understand.

      To lay the ground work it must first be understood that Adam gave his authority over to satan at the time of his sin. This can be seen in Job 1:8 when the Father asks satan, where have you been, and satan responds to and fro on the earth. It it obvious the satan was exercising his new found authority by boldy coming into the presence of God.

      According to most historians, Job lived before Moses. This would mean that he lived before the establishment of the Mosaic Covenant (the Law). In other words, he was not under an actual covenant of any type with God. As such, Job fell into the category where satan had the legal right and the authority to exercise his dominion. But, notice this, even though satan had the legal right, Job’s righteousness came before God which gave Him (God) the right to limit the extent to which satan could harass him.

      Now, here is the part that rubs most people. In verse 8, the Father asks the question of satan, “Have you considered my servant Job…” Most take this to mean, “What do you think about my man Job. You want to put him to the test?” I believe they are reading it wrong. Actually, I think the KJV translation is poorly worded. Look at the Young’s Literal Translation.

      “And Jehovah saith unto the Adversary, `Hast thou set thy heart against My servant Job because there is none like him in the land, a man perfect and upright, fearing God, and turning aside from evil?’

      God is not saying, “Hey, check out my man Job.” No, He is saying, “I see that you have been checking out my servant Job.” He saw that satan had already set his mark on Job for destruction. I think the door was opened because of Job’s fear. Look in verse 3:25, again from Youngs Literal Translation…”For a fear I feared and it meeteth me, And what I was afraid of doth come to me.”

      Granted, Job did not walk in the assurances we have through the New Covenant, but he was definitely walking in great fear. He was probably fear praying instead of faith praying. We see from the entire Book of Job that he at first assumed God was the author of all the bad. Satan was probably sitting back laughing. If we had been in his shoes, I’m sure we would have though the same thing. For that matter, many are still saying God is causing the bad to happen.

      We are under the New Covenant. Jesus won the battle for us. Because of this New Covenant Jesus says over and over again, “Do not fear.”

      Does this help or did I just muddy the water more?

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      • Patrick, Sorry for the delay in responding, but I see you too have been busy. 🙂

        No dispute that Job predates Moses and the Law as we know it from Exodus onward.

        7 Adonai asked the Adversary, “Where are you coming from?” The Adversary answered Adonai, “From roaming through the earth, wandering here and there.”
        8 Adonai asked the Adversary, “Did you notice my servant Iyov, that there’s no one like him on earth, a blameless and upright man who fears God and shuns evil?”
        9 The Adversary answered Adonai, “Is it for nothing that Iyov fears God?
        10 You’ve put a protective hedge around him, his house and everything he has. You’ve prospered his work, and his livestock are spread out all over the land.
        11 But if you reach out your hand and touch whatever he has, without doubt he’ll curse you to your face!” Job 1:7-11 (CJB)

        1 Another day came when the sons of God came to serve Adonai, and among them came the Adversary to serve Adonai.
        2 Adonai asked the Adversary, “Where are you coming from?” The Adversary answered Adonai, “From roaming through the earth, wandering here and there.”
        3 Adonai asked the Adversary, “Did you notice my servant Iyov, that there’s no one like him on earth, a blameless and upright man who fears God and shuns evil, and that he still holds on to his integrity, even though you provoked me against him to destroy him for no reason?”
        4 The Adversary answered Adonai, “Skin for skin! A person will give up everything he has to save his life.
        5 But if you reach out your hand and touch his flesh and bone, without doubt he’ll curse you to your face!”
        6 Adonai said to the Adversary, “Here! He is in your hands, except that you are to spare his life.” Job 2:1-6 (CJB)

        In both instances, God clearly knew how both the Adversary (Satan) and Job (Iyov) would respond.

        You inspired me with another thought. Since we both agree that Job preceded the Law. That seems like a great argument to support Rabbi Sha’ul’s argument in Romans.

        18 What is revealed is God’s anger from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people who in their wickedness keep suppressing the truth;
        19 because what is known about God is plain to them, since God has made it plain to them.
        20 For ever since the creation of the universe his invisible qualities — both his eternal power and his divine nature — have been clearly seen, because they can be understood from what he has made. Therefore, they have no excuse;
        21 because, although they know who God is, they do not glorify him as God or thank him. On the contrary, they have become futile in their thinking; and their undiscerning hearts have become darkened. Romans 1:18-21 (CJB)

        God does allow evil to be punished. Otherwise, He would not be just. But, He is first and foremost a God of Love. As Solomon once said, “13 Here is the final conclusion, now that you have heard everything: fear God, and keep his mitzvot (commands); this is what being human is all about. Ecclesiastes 12:13 (CJB)

        Thanx again for sharing this post.

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  3. Wally Fry says:

    Hey Patrick

    Ok, I don’t find this particularly alarming, in fact overall I like it. All this death and pain clearly is the result of our having sinned and fallen.

    God certainly has not caused it, but He does nonetheless allow the consequences to unfold as we have chosen.

    I do have a question, and it is just a question, not an argument, as I really have no opinion to offer. How does this relate to God’s foreknowing of all things, which I would think we all agree He has.

    I know that’s very complex, but I just wondered your thoughts.

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    • Wow! You think you could ask an easy question? lol… Let me ask you a question. Have you ever said to your grown child, “What you are about to do will not turn out good.” You had foreknowledge (from experience) that they were about to make a mistake. You told them, maybe even put obstacles in their way, yet they were still convinced that they knew better than you. Why did you not forcibly stop them? Why did you not tie them up and lock them in a room to protect them? Why did you not take away their freedom of choice?

      We cannot confuse foreknowledge with foreordained. There are obviously times when God through His sovereignty (not Absolute Sovereignty) will intervene to change the course of events. This is one of the reasons we must pray. However, through His established Word, He gave dominion to man. We don’t have a clue to what series of events transpired before a certain event unfolded.

      I know this is a rough answer, but this is such a complex issue. I honestly don’t have all the answers. But this I know, God loves us and His desire is for all men to come to repentance.

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      • Wally Fry says:

        Well, I didn’t really expect an answer. No on has answered that in years. I would have died if you had answered that clearly in a comment lol

        And God does have absolute sovereignty; just because perhaps He has chosen to allow some things to unfold in their own way never means He still doesn’t have absolute control

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      • Yes He does have Absolute Sovereignty, but not in the way it is taught. If He exercised His total control, i.e., not allowing free will, we would not have the problems we have. In other words, Wally or Patrick or anyone else would never have had those rebellious days where we decided we knew better than God.

        My point on the Absolute Sovereignty goes back to the teaching on Election. Many who teach on God’s Total Control are the same ones who says God picks and chooses who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Most teachings on Absolute Sovereignty tries to make sense of why bad things happen by blaming God for everything and letting the devil off scott free.

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      • Wally Fry says:

        I think we are on the same sheet here. I know the doctrine of election is attractive, because it seems to help establish the full sovereignty of God. I can even see how to think otherwise might be bothersome to people.

        Here is a thought, though. When we say that God cannot possibly know all things to be unless He directly causes them to be actually is us putting limits on Him. The fact that He can still know all things, while leaving us room to make choices is in many ways far more impressive then Him just pulling the strings.

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      • lol…yes, we are on the same sheet of music. You may be on the trombone while I’m on the trumpet, but it is the same song.

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      • Take a look at the comment I left Don that I believe helps explain the Book of Job.

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  4. Israel Ashworth says:

    God knows exactly what I will do in the next second but I had a choice to do it or not. This is Free will. God wants someone who would love him no matter what, that’s why we go through troubles of this world. You said before this is because of the fall not God punishing us. I totally agree. I think about Job God did allow that because he knew Job. If he didn’t know Job he wouldn’t have allowed the devil to tempt him. Because if we don’t have God we don’t worry about sin or sickness we just accept it. Now after salvation we see a different light we see things differently we understand that God will and can heal our troubles of this world. But that comes from us knowing God and that is the relationship we should have. Great post.

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  5. Israel Ashworth says:

    Yea just read it. I can agree to that. But it does seem to me God knew Job well. I should have left out allowed. He definitely was under a different law. We have Jesus that takes away the devils power over us.

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  6. lagrizzly1 says:

    Excellent post, Brother Patrick! I usually try to share your blogs with some of my boxing friends on Facebook and I believe they enjoy it!!

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  7. lagrizzly1 says:

    Reblogged this on The Bear Den and commented:
    I like how Brother Patrick makes you think!

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  8. Mel Wild says:

    “For the Father to put sickness on people to teach them a lesson or to glorify Himself would mean that He is working directly with satan and working against His assignment for Jesus. ”

    Amen. I love your iconoclastic logic here. 🙂 There’s a classic book by F.F. Bosworth titled, “Christ the Healer,” where he pretty much rips these types of arguments to shreds.

    I also believe that God has absolute sovereignty. But it’s not to be confused with fatalism. That’s a Hindu doctrine, not a biblical one. So it doesn’t follow that we have no free will to choose death or life. Because He IS sovereign, He is sovereignly free to chose to make room for us, to partner with Him in cooperation with His Spirit, even reject His overtures of love, to learn how to trust Him from the choices we make. And just because He knows “the end from the beginning,” and lives outside of space and time (think quantum physics!), doesn’t mean that sinners are doomed from birth. As C.S. Lewis has said, “There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, ‘Thy will be done.”

    Good word, Patrick. Always love a good barbeque!

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    • lol…it really isn’t meant to be a bbq but an eye opener. By the way, “Christ the Healer” is an excellent read. I’m currently reading through it again. And, as for using iconoclastic logic, it just boils down to a simple country boy keeping things simple.

      What I’m discovering, through this and other posts, is that many who disagree with my line of thought actually think that I am against God’s absolute sovereignty. That is not the case at all. I’m against the doctrine of Absolute Sovereignty which puts the blame of all the bad that happens on the Father.

      To prove this to a blogger friend, I had to show that the definition of sovereignty (from the Webster’s 1838 (or whatever year) dictionary of sovereignty is not the definition used by those who teach Absolute Sovereignty. He was able to see that, per the definition, I am all for the absolute sovereignty of God.

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    • Lol…I was mentioning no names.

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  9. Terri Nida says:

    Very well done. There always is a lot of confusion when we have devastating life experiences. But I’m with you; I believe that God is good and that all he does is good.

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  10. Ufuomaee says:

    Hi Patrick, I followed you up to the second part. Your conclusion also showed some area of confusion on this issue of God’s sovereignty. You said that He turned a bad situation to good, which means He played a hand in what was going on ultimately. He chose how and when to intervene. I agree with that.

    But to say He is not able to permit or disallow evil simply says He is powerless against evil, even though Christ’s sacrifice has won the victory and transferred dominion back to the Saints. If He is as powerless as you seem to imply in this post, then why attribute the success of Naomi’s story to Him? Can we only attribute success of a situation and not failure to God? Like Job said, can we only receive good from His hand and not evil too?

    Paul in Romans 9 shows us that God is always in a position to change the outcome of a situation. However, I believe that many times, most of the time, He prefers to delegate that power to transform situations to His agents, who believe and move by faith.

    Jesus said it shall be done to you according to your faith… Still, we are limited by our faith in changing our circumstances, because certainly, God’s will is also a factor. Like David found out when he mourned his first son by Bathsheba. God had willed for the boy to die, and even though He had forgiven David, and David fasted in FAITH that God would have mercy and heal the boy, his faith couldn’t override God’s will.

    I think we need to be careful with this issue of God’s sovereignty. What we need to know is that even if God allows bad to happen (by not turning our situation around despite our faith in His ability to do so), He loves us, and He definitely has a good plan for us.

    My thoughts.

    Cheers, Ufuoma.

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    • Hi Ufuoma. Thanks for the comment. However, I will respectfully have to disagree. James 1:13 says, Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.

      God is love. Let’s turn this around. Can God, who is love, act unlovable? Absolutely not. To better understand the difference between God’s sovereignty and the Doctrine of Absolute Sovereignty, look at the definition of sovereignty. Note: use the 1838 version of Websters dictionary. The newer versions are politically correct.

      The Doctrine of Absolute Sovereignty teaches, among other things, that God is the cause of all that happens in this world. Look at my following post and my last post.

      As for Naomi…God did not kill her husband and sons. However, Naomi blamed God. Despite being blamed, God still used the situation to show His love.

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      • Ufuomaee says:

        Hi Patrick,

        The scripture you quoted in James was regarding temptations and not trials! God cannot tempt us to do evil. But He certainly tries us by fire.

        Also, please read Exodus 9:16 and Romans 9. For your beliefs to stand, you would have to disregard these scriptures, because Paul does believe firmly that God is absolutely sovereign, even in deciding who gets saved and who doesn’t. Also, Jesus testifies that NO ONE can come to Him unless God draws them…hence, even regarding this, God is sovereign.

        Now, the challenge seems to be in connecting these doctrines with doctrine of God being love. But if we first understand that GOD IS GOD first before He is anything else, we can better appreciate this. Also I have written elsewhere on this misconception of love (www.oraclesforliving.org/who-is-jesus/a-loving-god). God is love, but He is also the one who DEFINES love. We can’t judge Him on our standards and definitions of love. All He does is wise and love, because He isn’t only wise and loving, He personifies these traits, and we will know nothing of them, apart from His revelation. The greatest revelation is Christ, being the power, wisdom and love of God.

        We have to appreciate God’s soveriegnty BEFORE we can appreciate and understand His love. Otherwise, we make a God in our own image.

        Sincerely, Ufuoma.

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  11. You are referring to election according to Westminster’s confession of faith. I discussed that in my post, “Maybe the Atheist Have a Point..”. You need to read that very carefully because part of that doctrine teaches that infants of the elect who are not able to accept Jesus as Lord go to heaven while infants not elected are sent to hell. That is a very dangerous doctrine you are subscribing to and is not of God. You are making the point by what you just wrote that God sends people to hell. I’ve read too much of your material to believe you actually think like that. Please check out that post before commenting back. It was last month I believe.

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    • Ufuomaee says:

      Hi Patrick, I didn’t get notification of this, because you didn’t reply me directly.

      Please note that I do not subscribe to any confessions of faith or doctrines! My beliefs are drawn from the Bible, and Jesus said one thing about children and their right to salvation, being that they should not be hindered from coming to Him, for the Kingdom of God is made for such as they…(Matt 19:14) I don’t need to develop doctrines or theories around that.

      Please do not categorise me among any body of believers because of what I subscribe or do not subscribe to. Even those who approve such confessions have their differences in beliefs and perspectives, and many even are hypocritical, as what they believe and do do not agree.

      The issue is what does the Bible say? Jesus was very clear when He said NO ONE can come to Him unless God draws them (John 6:44-66). He was so clear in fact that, it was during that teaching that He lost a record amount of followers.

      My beliefs on the issue of predestination and free will are well summarised in a post I wrote about it not too long ago: https://ufuomaee.com/2016/05/30/predestination-and-freewill/

      I firmly believe that both work together to the glory of God. Yes, our faith is important, but note that IT IS ALSO A GIFT OF GOD (Eph 2:8).

      Sincerely, Ufuoma.

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    • Ufuomaee says:

      I forgot to mention that I had already read that post. I refrained from commenting then. I’m not keen on arguing, but I had to address this post, because it seemed clear to me in your emphasis on the love of God, you are figuratively cutting off His balls (so to speak), by insinuating that He is not actually a Sovereign God.

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  12. Well…that is a rather picturesque comment. And no, I’m not offended. I too am not keen on arguing, but I consider you a blogger friend, so I will answer your comments.

    Do I believe God is ABSOLUTELY sovereign? Well, let’s take a look.

    I have used Websters dictionary 1828 version (before all the political correctness). You will see my notes behind each point.

    Sovereign
    SOVEREIGN, adjective suv’eran. [We retain this babarous orthography from the Norman sovereign The true spelling would be suveran from the Latin supernes, superus.]

    1. Supreme in power; possessing supreme dominion; as a sovereign ruler of the universe. I AGREE THIS APPLIES TO GOD!

    2. Supreme; superior to all others; chief. God is the sovereign good of all who love and obey him. ABSOLUTELY!! GOD IS SUPERIOR TO ALL AND IS THE SOVEREIGN GOOD OF ALL WHO LOVE AND OBEY HIM!

    3. Supremely efficacious; superior to all others; predominant; effectual; as a sovereign remedy. I AGREE THAT GOD IS SUPERIOR, PREDOMINANT (influence), AND EFFECTUAL TO ALL OTHERS AND THAT HE PRODUCES THE DESIRED AFFECT (efficacious)!

    4. Supreme; pertaining to the first magistrate of a nation; as sovereign authority. I AGREE THAT THAT GOD IS THE SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY!

    SOVEREIGN, noun suv’eran.

    1. A supreme lord or ruler; one who possesses the highest authority without control. Some earthly princes, kings and emperors are sovereigns in their dominions. I AGREE THAT GOD IS THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY!

    2. A supreme magistrate; a king. I AGREE THAT JESUS IS THE KING OF KINGS!

    After reading this definition, I believe you will see that I am all about God’s sovereignty. He is ABSOLUTELY SOVEREIGN. What I’m against (and I wish I could bold this, underline this and change the font color) is the doctrine of ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGNTY that teaches that God is the author of all the worlds problems.

    The teaching of Absolute Sovereignty, which places the total burden of the worlds problems on the shoulders of our Heavenly Father is a doctrine of convenience. It is adopting a Que Sarah, Sarah attitude that whatever will be will be. Look in the Bible and see how many times we are told to choose. Look how many times were are told to do this so that we can get that…

    “GOD, IN HIS ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGNTY HAS GIVEN US THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE!

    “This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.”

    What could be more clear than that?

    Do you want to see a change in your nation? IF My people who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray.

    You have a choice…pray or not pray.

    EVERYONE who calls upon the Lord, you will be saved…(Romans 10:13) Again, it’s a choice.

    Yes, no man can come to God unless the Holy Spirit draws him. I have no problem with that. So…you put it out there bluntly for me, so I will put it out there bluntly for you..

    Why can’t you see that the Holy Spirit is steady drawing but man is steady resisting that call? Why are you ignoring 2 Peter 3:9? The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. Why are you ignoring John 3:17? For He did not send His son into the world to condemn the world but that the world might be save through Him…

    If you ignore all the many verses that say that God has no desire that the world perish and that all come to repentance, then I don’t know what to tell you. And, for you to tell me that God picks and chooses who goes to heaven and who goes to hell is a slap in the face of Jesus. Sorry, I’m just putting it out there.

    Let me put this on your personal level. How is what I’m saying any different that what you tell the young women you counsel. In your blogs you have told them that the decisions they make now will affect them the rest of their lives. You are telling them that they have CHOICES.

    If you were to turn around and tell them, “You poor dear, God in His Absolute Sovereignty caused this to happen to you,” I would think you had lost your mind.

    Please don’t think I’m angry because I’m not. I just don’t understand why this is such a difficult subject. To me, salvation is simplicity in action. It is so easy a child can understand it.

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    • Ufuomaee says:

      Hi Patrick,

      I wish you would have replied my comment directly, then I would have received notification of this comment earlier. I just happened to check back on your site and saw it. Thanks.

      Thank you for clarifying that you believe that God is absolutely sovereign. Thanks for also making clear that your issue is with “the doctrine” of the “absolute sovereignty” of God, which seeks to blame God for all the ills in the world. I understand the distinction here, but I still reckon your disagreement is not with a doctrine but with people’s understanding. The doctrine that God is absolutely sovereign is the same as the doctrine of the “absolute sovereignty” of God. It’s simply that people end up with different conclusions.

      Like the doctrine of “saved by grace”. You would be wrong to start a campaign against that doctrine, because it is absolutely true! What you would probably want to clarify is a false understanding about God’s grace! And I suppose that’s what you are doing here, and that was why when I read your first post on the issue, I tended towards agreement (I actually liked it). But you’ve moved from addressing a lack of understanding to tackling a fundamental doctrine and truth of God, which is His absolute sovereignty, which you agree that He has! It’s a contradiction.

      Deal with the issue, and address the errors in understanding, without countering the truth of God.

      Now, you’ve put back some things to me, as though you haven’t read my post on Predestination and Freewill, which I linked to in my last comment. I actually see that you have read it before, because you are one of those who liked it on my blog! So we agree. We agree that free-will and predestination go hand in hand to accomplish the will of God to the glory of God! How then can you suggest that I am disregarding Jesus’ teachings in John 3:17 or even what Peter said concerning God’s will for all to be saved?

      Instead of us trying to build doctrines, let’s just get a right understanding of the Word!

      Anyway. I really don’t think there’s much else to be said. I believe that we agree more than we realise, but we may lay more emphasis on one of God’s traits than the others. Knowing God fully will resolve this, and that is a personal quest for all of us.

      Blessing, Ufuoma.

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      • Yes’m… I will have one last post on this issue, so please don’t think it is directed at you personally. It is not.

        I see your point on the confusion and will clarify it in this next post. I AM speaking out against the Doctrine of Absolute Sovereignty, but I should have added, “According to a false teaching that has bombarded the Body of Christ.”

        We might not always agree on every subject, but this I do know, “You are my Sis in Christ Jesus.” Be blessed, my friend.

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